Notes with unconfirmed registers

**That One Asian Guy** on Mon May 17, 2010 9:26 pm

Rob Halford's C♯6 (and some other high notes...though we are sure that his "Dissident Aggressor" B5 is full?)
Hansi Kürsch's D6 (among others...highest confirmed full voice note?)
Mark Slaughter's D6 (or confirmed as falsetto?)
Axl Rose's high range beyond C♯5
Eric Adams's B5 (I'm growing more suspicious of falsetto on notes E5 and up for him...)
Matt Barlow's B♭5 (among others)
John West's B5 (and B♭5)
Bruce Springsteen's F♯5 (probably falsetto?)
Phil Anselmo's A5 (among other high notes)
Jaime Vendera's high range (not even sure what note to start on...C5?)

**Dance Champion** on Tue May 18, 2010 1:10 pm

Halford's C#6 I'm pretty sure isn't full at this point. The "Dissident Agressor" B5 is really thin but I don't hear any airiness.

No idea about Hansi... what do you think of the Gillan falsetto theory?

Slaughter's D6 sounds real like a lot of his top notes, i.e. studio "Loaded Gun".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByRTl6razr8
Clips 10, 11, 12 and 14 I think are falsetto. It seems he pushes himself harder in full voice live though.

Axl... I'll give him the live "You Could Be Mine" F5.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsK9gCg32Qw
2:10 here is being called a strained full voice G5 by DDDers.

Man, I'm gonna have to give Eric Adams at least A5. That "Blood of the Kings" A5 is NUTS. I can understand why you might be starting to think falsetto though after the Barlow thing.

Your call on Barlow really, but judging by that G5 which you think could be full voice it's no suprise that he could hit a thin Bb5 in full voice ("The Ripper").

John West's B5? Never got a response from jowox on that one, it seems that some emails I send him never end up reaching him though, including download links to the 5th octave videos.

Springsteen's F#5, you're right... F5s could be full though.

No idea with Anselmo.

Even less of an idea with Vendera!

**That One Asian Guy** on Tue May 18, 2010 9:36 pm

So falsetto for Rob's C♯6? Tantalizing...it means he's ANOTHER one-note-away-from-4 Octave Wonder, with C2-B5.
What's this falsetto theory involving Ian? Do you mean like checking the C6 in comparison to the preceding notes to see how rough they are? Hm...well going by that, it does give off a more falsettish impression...
Yeah, so C2-C6 for Mark, then.
What do you think of the idea of the "You Could Be Mine" live F5 being a non-modal scream? I can hear the strain on that G5 too...hm...
Timing for the "Blood Of Kings" A5? I'm trying to make something of the "Dark Avenger" glissando, but I can't say I have a definite verdict yet...
When did I call a G5 by Barlow full voice?
You already tried all the download sites for those two John West songs with the B5 and B♭5, right?
Springsteen's E5s sound full enough, but I have some doubts about his F5 too...
We gotta get on the task of Michael Kiskeing Anselmo!
Considering that we've established e-mail contact with Vendera, I wouldn't exactly say that one's out of our hands...I think I suggested a while ago that you request something just like a scale (but NOT a glissando) up to some upper fifth octave notes or something from him...

**Dance Champion** on Wed May 19, 2010 1:12 pm

# Maybe whistle as opposed to falsetto for Rob's C#6...
# By the Ian Gillan theory I mean that maybe Hansi's highs are just very powerful falsetto like Ian. Spydrfish thinks it could be likely.
# Non modal scream for Axl's F5? Doubt it.
# "Blood of the Kings"?! I am such an idiot! I mean "Hail and Kill".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HT1vT31bhKg
You obviously know it, I just can't imagine anyone making that kind of note in falsetto.
# Woops, I mean F#5 for Barlow, not G5.
# Tried download sites, yep...
# Okay so what was Springsteen's lowest again?
# Kiskeing Anselmo is a must!
# Like I said, Vendera now only sings when he's teaching, I think he's a family man or something...

**That One Asian Guy** on Wed May 19, 2010 10:58 pm

Didn't I send you the G♯6 by Rob that Spydrfish and I concluded was whistle or something? I dunno, it sounds pretty different from the C♯6 to me...what makes you so doubtful of falsetto for that?
See my post in the Barlow thread for the confusion of the definition of "Ian Gillan"...what makes you think his highs are falsetto? And if that's the case, any leads on where his full voice ends?
Hm...why would you rule out "You Could Be Mine" as a non-modal scream? And what about that alleged full G5 that you posted before, what do you think of it?
The "Hail And Kill" A5 is powerful as hell, no denying that; but it could be another case of your own "Ian Gillan theory", haha. Meh, I dunno, he's a tough case, and I'm not quite ready to rule out the idea that it's possible to make that sort of sound with falsetto.
We've got the whole Barlow discussion going on in the other thread, so I guess we don't need to worry about that here.
Jowox said that Springsteen hits E2s in "New Jersey Devil" and "Last Carnival", and D2s in "Reno"...however, Spydrfish checked "Reno" and said that the whispers only got down to E♭2 in that one; so it's E♭2-E5/F5 for Springsteen now. I guess we'll need to reach a verdict on his F5, though.
Hm...where to start with Anselmo...
Meh, it's still worth shooting Vendera a few e-mails...after all, what's the worst that could happen? Asking for a C♯6 before may have been a bit much, but I would think he would have a few minutes in the day to record a few scales or something...

**Dance Champion** on Fri May 21, 2010 12:31 pm

# Sounds too... high... to be falsetto. If that makes any sense to you...
# Okay, Hansi time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjm17n6SyEE
Clip #6 is a bit of a "Phil Anselmo" moment for me. Listen to when he slides down from F#5 to C#5. Sounds to me like it's falsetto on the highest notes but then slides down into full, maybe the Eb5 aswell. Also clip #8, the C#5s are definitely full but doesn't everything higher remind you of that Gillan "Strange Kind of Woman"(?) G#5/A5? Clip #9 has full Eb5s but they sound a bit rough to me... I'll give him C2-Eb5 for sure, higher?
# The "You Could Be Mine" F5 has the same timbre as his middle-lower register voice, so I'll go for full. As for the G5, eh... before the G5 he hits a D5 and F5 and he probably could have switched for that. Doesn't sound too different to the rest of his high notes.
# I dunno... what's the highest full voice note you're sure of by Adams?
# Okay listening to the accentuation on Springsteen's F5 I'll go for falsetto too.
# I'll ask Vendera if he has any scales recorded to show how his book works to give you a seamless range, hehe

**That One Asian Guy** on Fri May 21, 2010 8:44 pm

You'll have to explain a bit more; like do you mean "high" as in the pitch or the timbre? Because if pitch, there's no way that can be the case...I mean guys have hit C♯6 and higher in full voice before, so there's no way that's too "high" for falsetto. If the timbre is just too non-falsettish, though, that I can understand a bit more.
You know, I think I'll have to agree with you there on Kürsch...like really, I can't argue with any of your points there; so nice job wrapping that one up for us. It's about time! Based on the video, yeah, I'd have to say C2-E♭5, but PERHAPS there's a chance that he's got a few higher notes in full voice. I dunno, maybe in the D6 screaming clip, he slides down to some mid-fifth octave notes before breaking back into falsetto? That one's probably impossible to check for differentiation between full voice and falsetto, though, at least beyond the first scream. What about his C2? I always likened Michael Kiske's B♭1 to that, but now if you're saying that that's growl, I would think that would be the case for both...though to be honest, I'm not COMPLETELY convinced that Kiske's B♭1 isn't whispery full voice. In any case, I think it's safe to say that it's PRETTY ridiculous that Jowox still has Kürsch marked for A1-C♯6!
Gah, this Axl clip is a killer...all the notes before the G5 sound like his regular falsetto high register, but then all of a sudden for the G5, he starts straining in a way that I can't see as possible for a non-modal note. I guess we can at least credit him for A1-F5 now, but he is one hell of a confusing case. One thing I can say about this "Sailing" clip is that if the G5 is falsetto, the D5 and F5 most definitely are as well.
I'm positive of the ending C♯5 from "Secret Of Steel" being full voice, but beyond that, I begin to suspect that Adams is pulling the same sorts of tricks as Barlow...I mean do you actually think that ALL of his high notes are full voice? Cause I'm pretty doubtful about that...
Alright, so E♭2-E5 for Springsteen.
Sure, whatever works for Vendera.

**Dance Champion** on Sun May 23, 2010 12:30 pm

# High as in timbre...
# Man, I just have no idea at all about Axl...
# Hmmm, that "Secret of Steel" thing is interesting. It trills up to D5 at one point. I don't think it sounds very strained though. And speaking of Adams, I'm thinking his A1s are full, I've never thought they sounded all that growly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKg2NdmoF2U
Check out 1:26 here... I think it's full up to at least E5. Maybe he switches on F#5. 2:20 of the same video I think is a full E5. Sounds strained here though... check out clip 5 too, do you hear a point where it gets soft?

**That One Asian Guy** on Mon May 24, 2010 12:21 am

Alright, so I guess it's C2-B5 in full voice for Rob, and then the C♯6 and G♯6 are whistle. Did you noticed how strained he gets during the glissandos in "Death"? Barely gets up to A4 in full voice before he has to switch to falsetto for C5; but I guess that's just age...
Yeah, it's becoming ever more tempting to just give up on Axl...
I'll start a new topic for Adams.

**Dance Champion** on Mon May 24, 2010 5:53 pm

Yeah, Rob has aged very badly, kind of sad... what are the odds that he's an Axl Rose and is using a very good falsetto for his high notes? I know we had this discussion before and I was less open to it then but let's try it again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fJ-OOr7H_c

1. Definitely full.
2. Also full.
3. Less convicing-ly(?) full, but probably full still.
4. Now this clip sounds a bit revealing, to me at least. Don't you think the G5s and E5s sound different to the notes before them?
5. Not sure what to make of this,
6. Here the G5s sound like they could be falsetto but the F#5s I think are full, especially that first one.
7. Hm, could be full, the E5s certainly are.
8. Now this is what I'm talking about, that F5 is full but don't you think he starts to sound shrill on the G5s?
9. Now this could all be full.
10. Man, still have no idea how anyone could make that sound in falsetto so I'm going for full.
11. Eh...
12. Never been too sure of this one.
13. G5 sounds full.
14. Could be all falsetto.
15. G5s could be full here too.

**That One Asian Guy** on Mon May 24, 2010 9:43 pm

I'll move Rob to another topic too, actually...let's just use this thread for clearing up about single notes.

**Dance Champion** on Fri May 28, 2010 12:56 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0AkrUtkPfg

1:40... is this a chest/mixed Axl F#5? Sounds like it touches on G5 too.

**That One Asian Guy** on Fri May 28, 2010 10:26 pm

Gah, this is another one of those confusing ones where he sounds soft and unstrained on the lower notes; but then all of a sudden when a high note comes along, it's the sort that you would normally associate with full voice...

Dammit, Axl!

**Dance Champion** on Fri May 28, 2010 11:12 pm

I'm very ready to count this F#5 as full voice though, I mean just listen to it!

**That One Asian Guy** on Fri May 28, 2010 11:25 pm

What, then, he just switched to full voice for that note after an entire falsetto-sung song?
Eh, go ahead and count it, I guess...I'm so clueless about Axl at this point that I hardly know what to argue.

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